Episode Ten: Anthem by Leonard Cohen with Lani Diane Rich
5/2/2024 | 47m
Come get starstruck by this week's Finding Good Bones guest - New York Times bestselling author, writing coach, and podcast superstar Lani Diane Rich - and her selection, "Anthem" by Leonard Cohen. It's a vulnerable yet frolicking discussion on finding the beauty in destruction, honoring scars, and rebuilding foundations. Lani Diane Rich is totally our best friend now, and soon we'll have the T-shirts to prove it.
This Episode's Guest

Lani Diane Rich is a New York Times bestselling author and writing coach, and she teaches a year-long writing workshop, The Year of Writing Magically, where she writes her novels alongside her students. Her book, How Story Works, is a simple, elegant guide to the craft of storytelling, and is available now on Amazon and Audible.
Amy's Show Notes
- What Amy is reading - One Salt Sea by Seanan McGuire: https://seananmcguire.com/oss.php 
- What Kate is reading - Why Fish Don’t Exist by Lulu Miller: https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/Why-Fish-Dont-Exist/Lulu-Miller/9781501160349 - This was brought by Ladislao Loera in FGB Episode Eight and mentioned by Amy Winters in Episode Nine 
 
- Meet Lani Diane Rich, story expert, New York Times bestselling author and writing coach: - Her year-long writing workshop that comes HIGHLY recommended by Amy - The Year of Writing Magically: https://www.howstory.works/yowm 
- The How Story Works book and newsletter: https://www.howstory.works/ 
- The How Story Works Podcast: https://howstoryworks.transistor.fm/ 
- The Still Pretty Podcast: https://stillpretty.transistor.fm/ - Still Pretty is a reference to Buffy the Vampire Slayer Season One, Episode 12 - Prophecy Girl. The Big Bad for the season, the Master, says "You're dead." and then Buffy counters with "I may be dead, but I'm still pretty. Which is more than I can say for you." And it’s EPIC!!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Coi6Q5vnKlY 
 
- Lani is the owner of Chipperish Media, where you can find and listen to all of her podcasts! https://chipperish.com/ 
 
- Types of bonds other than trauma bonds: Ionic bonds, covalent bonds, government bonds, corporate bonds, agency bonds, municipal bonds, climate bonds, war bonds, accrual bonds 
- Listen to Anthem by Leonard Cohen: https://open.spotify.com/track/7aAE5KL20Uycf3dswsaHjp?si=a41cf95a68b346ae 
- If you or someone you know is experiencing any type of intimate partner violence, whether / sexual / psychological / financial, there are many resources available. If you are in the Austin area, The SAFE Alliance is one local resource. They can be reached at 512-267-SAFE [7233], 737-888-7233, or https://www.safeaustin.org/. If you are in the US, you can contact the National Domestic Violence Hotline at 1-800-799-SAFE (7233), or go to www.thehotline.org for anonymous, confidential online chats, available in English and Spanish. Individual states often have their own domestic violence hotlines as well. Advocates at the National Domestic Violence Hotline field calls from both survivors of domestic violence as well as individuals who are concerned that they may be abusive toward their partners. 
- We meet Grima Wormtongue, advisor to King Théoden of Rohan, in the second book of the Lord of the Rings trilogy. While he's okay at first, he's bought off by Saruman with the promise of Eowyn, a princess of Rohan and Théoden's niece - that's right, she's a human! So like, he's not starting out that great. His influence intentionally weakens Théoden and Rohan, leaving it more vulnerable to attacks from Saruman, but is ultimately ended by Gandalf the White. Check out Théoden's glow up!: https://static.wixstatic.com/media/33805f_e068b5c0efe445feac0d30e2fbb68748~mv2.png 
- Wegmans Food Markets are a supermarket chain with over one hundred stores across eight states in the Northeastern / Mid-Atlantic US: https://www.wegmans.com - They’re fine, perhaps, but no HEB. What is even? 
 
- These are Boogie Boards: https://myboogieboard.com/ 
- Definition of dissociation: Separation of some aspects of mental functioning from conscious awareness, leading to a degree of mental dysfunction or to mental conditions including dissociative identity disorder. 
- Lani’s playlist for her novel for the first Year of Writing Magically: https://open.spotify.com/playlist/1dS1FdZqKUUuTCU68N63ym?si=W6CcRurhRLGRRi-hRnyvTw&pt=1435d2b2838375dc2745aa11dde81ef5&pi=u-r7z7Dx0lSbGs 
- Amy’s playlist for her novel, both incomplete: https://open.spotify.com/playlist/1zT4MnmreFzweqgPldZ7O3?si=XvwpAdR9T0aI6CoQqvjC1Q&pi=u-DgnwWntITnmC 
- Lani’s podcast Big Strong Yes, an exploration of Brené Brown’s Rising Strong; Elizabeth Gilbert’s Big Magic; Shonda Rhimes’ Year of Yes; and Emily and Amelia Nagoski’s Burnout with co host, researcher Dr. Kelly Jones: https://bigstrongyes.transistor.fm/ - Learn more about Dr. Kelly Jones: https://chipperish.com/people; https://nonfictionauthorsassociation.com/directory/13886/kelly-l-jones-ph-d/ 
 
- A brief history and example of kintsugi: https://www.si.edu/newsdesk/snapshot/beauty-broken-objects 
- Here is the record from Lani’s Air Bnb!: https://static.wixstatic.com/media/33805f_b039aebe4ed74656bae40b5e78806b09~mv2.jpg 
- Well. Kate got this all scrambled. Songs of Love and Hate (1971) was like, two decades before The Future (1992), Leonard Cohen’s ninth studio album and the one with Anthem on it. Soooo very different time periods. Although apparently he wrote it in the 80s - a version of it was supposed to be on his 1984 album Various Positions but the intro was erased on accident and it was taken as a sign to wait on it. Read a brief oral history on the song: https://www.theglobeandmail.com/arts/music/article-leonard-cohen-anthem-oral-history/ - Actress Rebecca De Mornay is credited as a producer on the song, she and Leonard Cohen were partners at the time and she helped him recognize and record the final version. 
- Here is a 1992 interview with Leonard Cohen on a VERY old school designed site (what is the font, why is that background???) where he touches on both Dress Rehearsal Rag and Anthem: https://www.leonardcohenfiles.com/zollo.html 
 
- The Doctor Who Time Crack storyline from Series Five featuring the Eleventh Doctor played by Matt Smith https://thedoctorwhosite.co.uk/doctorwho/themes/pandorica/ 
- So the earliest usage of “butt crack” according to the Oxford English Dictionary is 1975, which seems waaaaaay recent. HOWEVER the OED cites the earliest recorded use of “bum crack” as occurring in 1604 in the writing of poet and playwright John Marston. - Some of the more “proper” terms for butt crack include: Intergluteal cleft, gluteal cleft, natal cleft, cluneal cleft, anal cleft, crena analis, crena interglutealis, and rima ani - who knew?!? 
 
- A woman enjoys a cup of tea in the midst of the bomb damage at New Cross after air raids (this isn't exactly what Kate pictures, but seems apropos for this podcast): https://imgur.com/T7cLzSF 
- Please enjoy three raccoons in a trench coat: https://www.strikegently.co/products/3-raccoons-in-a-trenchcoat-pretending-to-be-a-guy-pin - Three Raccoons in a Trenchcoat, game of awful little creatures, is also a 2021 tabletop RPG game: https://penguinking.com/three-raccoons-in-a-trenchcoat/ 
 
- Lani’s now husband runs a YouTube channel Called Passion of the Nerd which is a “Channel for a discussion of all things nerd...but...right now Buffy the Vampire Slayer, Angel, and Firefly”: https://www.youtube.com/c/PassionoftheNerd 
- Okay, shellacked is not the right term here - Kate for sure meant spackled. But Lani was right on with the dry wall! 
- "Tell me, what is it you plan to do with your one wild and precious life?" is the closing line of Mary Oliver's Poem 133: The Summer Day: https://www.loc.gov/programs/poetry-and-literature/poet-laureate/poet-laureate-projects/poetry-180/all-poems/item/poetry-180-133/the-summer-day/ 
- Request a recommendation on a selection of writing picked by Kate and Amy just for you: https://www.findinggoodbones.com/contact 
- Join Drew Allen in supporting the podcast at https://www.patreon.com/FindingGoodBones 
- Kate did not climb a mountain in Scotland, it was a very big hill, BUT yes - Scotland ABSOLUTELY has mountains, Amy. 



